[Anime] Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works – Winter Days, The Form Wishes Take (S2E4)


UBW Season 2

After last week’s episode ended with the brutal beat-down of Berseker and the tragic death of his Master, this week we take a step away from the break-neck action and the flurry of plot developments as the narrative’s focus returns to our protagonists. ‘Winter Days, The Form Wishes Take’, offers a much needed respite from the mountain of tension that the last couple of episodes built up and gives the audience some time to consider the importance and implications of just what went down. That said, the episode presents us with plenty to chew on as well; Shinji’s mysterious blonde Servant isn’t quite as mysterious any more – he is Gilgamesh, the mythical demi-god from the Epic of Gilgamesh – but the real surprising this week was Lancer’s return to relevance. We haven’t seen the man in blue since the very first episodes of the series’ but it turns out that not only is he not such a bad guy, he is also surprisingly open to cooperating with Shirou and Rin. Even with his help however, the situation looks far from hopeful – not only are they outnumbered, but given the kind of firepower Team Caster has, they are likely also outgunned. For all these plot advancements, the episode offers up a fair bit of comic relief as well as a brief return to one of my favourite elements of the series – Shirou’s state of mind.

As was the case with Berserker two episodes ago, I found the revelation of Gilgamesh’s identity to be extremely lackluster. A Heroic Spirit of his calibre deserves better than to just have his name blurted out by the likes of Shinji. I’m assuming that his identity is explored more thoroughly in the Fate route of the visual novel, but still, it feels disappointing to just hear his named tossed out like that, without any build up. I’m don’t know what a better way would have been – certainly, I don’t want anything as ridiculously dramatic as a drumroll but so far, it feels like the show has gotten the unveiling of the Servants’ identities more wrong than right. In any case, more than Gilgamesh’s actions and origins, both of which I’ll touch on in a bit, I find myself fascinated with his legend and how it relates to the story. We are given a solid amount of information (and I won’t question how Shirou and Rin know so much about him, clearly the Japanese education system is much better than my country’s) and from what we are told, he sounds terrifying.  One of the myths surrounding the Holy Grail is that it grants any man who drinks from it eternal life which would make it an artefact very much in line with Gilgamesh’s origin story. Not only is he known in this series’ universe (and I’m trying my best to separate the series’ version of the legend from its real-world counterpart) as the seeker of eternal youth, but he is also clearly someone who enjoys hoarding treasures. The Holy Grail is considered, quite literally, the rarest of treasures and in fact, something that is often sought but can never be found. Its appeal to a Heroic Spirit like Gilgamesh is obvious but more importantly, Gilgamesh is the first Servant for whom this connection feels natural – you could make a case for Medea, queen of magic, wanting such a powerful mystical object but the Grail doesn’t really have anything to do with the likes of Heracles or Sasaki Kojiro. We aren’t just told about Gilgamesh’s legend however; we are also given a convenient power comparison. Shirou and Rin don’t think that there is a big gap between Gilgamesh, Berserker and Saber but given the way the Gilgamesh took Berserker out, you have to worry that Saber won’t stand much of a chance either. In fact, Saber’s inclusion on that list itself feels strange, largely because it feels like we haven’t seen a great deal from her. We have been told repeatedly that she is the ‘strongest’ class of Servant but clearly, that didn’t account for Gilgamesh. Despite him very clearly not being good news for our heroes, it just feels difficult to dislike the man. There is a certain bravado about him, or perhaps it’s just pure arrogance, that is refreshing to see. He isn’t wary of danger like Saber or sneaky like Caster, he is so confident in his abilities (and not for nothing either) that he fears no challenge and acknowledges no equal. In some sense, he is similar to Archer in that both men talk a big game but can also back those words up if they need to. He feels like the antagonist this series deserves, someone whose defeat would feel like an accomplishment. Right now, it feels like there is positively a glut of antagonists in this series – Archer, Caster, Kirei, Gilgamesh, Assassin – and it will be very interesting to see if the story will be able to resolve these conflicts satisfactorily.

As is often the case with this series, each question answered raises a whole host of others. Gilgamesh’s identity was one of the longer standing mysteries in the series and while it does explain a few things such as how he was able to handle Berserker so easily, it does force us to ask questions of a different sort. The first of these is his very existence – since the beginning, it was stated that there would be seven Servants and seven Masters. However, just in this episode, Rin explicitly calls him an eighth Servant but doesn’t seem too confused by his presence. Does this mean he exists outside of the rules of the Holy Grail War? He existed without being summoned by his ‘Master’ which has to make you wonder, is Shinji even really his Master in the first place? We never see Shinji’s Command Seals, nor do we ever see any kind of summoning ritual take place but on the other hand, it would be ludicrous to think that a Servant of Gilgamesh’s stature would submit to a brat like Shinji unless he was his Master. Still, considering how Rin had to pretty much strong arm Archer into obedience, and how we’ve seen Caster kill her first Master, I just can’t see Shinji saying or doing anything that would impress Gilgamesh enough to put up with him, unless it’s their mutual fascination with murder and general misery. In any case, this leads us to two further questions – who summoned Gilgamesh and how does Kirei just casually happen to have a Servant like Gilgamesh lying around? The answer to both might have been staring us in the face all the while – what if Gilgamesh is Kirei’s Servant? It would be a gross violation of the rules of the War – after all, you can hardly be an overseer and a participant but Kirei has already demonstrated that he is not above corruption. Of course, this theory isn’t perfect – we never see Kirei summon Gilgamesh nor do we see his Command Seals but it makes sense in terms of the characters matching up – Kirei is cold and mean enough for someone like Gilgamesh to work with and we have already seen that the two of them are pretty chummy. So where does Shinji come into this theory of mine? Well, it could just be misdirection – by pretending to be Shinji’s Servant, Gilgamesh could lay low (relatively speaking) and take out the other Masters without arousing suspicion (though, honestly, even if suspicion was raised, it’s not like there’s a regulating body that could punish him). It would also give Kirei a proxy through which he could go about obtaining the Grail without exposing himself.

Speaking of the Grail, we learned a few episodes ago that Ilya had fused with the Lesser Grail but it turns out that that is a reversible process as Gilgamesh performs some crude open-heart field surgery on Ilya’s corpse to extract the artefact. Caster has been searching high and low for this Lesser Grail, going so far as to take over Kirei’s church in search of it but if it was in Ilya all this while, then we must ask how exactly Gilgamesh knew that it would be inside Ilya? Furthermore, if this Lesser Grail is powerful enough that Caster would risk painting a target on her back for it, then why was Ilya not able to put up more of a fight before her death? Caster’s comments regarding the two Grails were cryptic at best, but she seemed to imply that the Lesser Grail was a key to the Greater, which would seem to indicate that Gilgamesh now has one of the essential ingredients to unlocking it, and only requires the other Servants’ deaths in order to do so. The odd thing, however, is that neither Rin nor Shirou seem to know about this Lesser Grail and as such don’t really seem to realize what Gilgamesh’s objective was in all of this. This is fair enough – Caster’s expansive knowledge of magic and Gilgamesh’s de facto access every legendary artefact ever conceived could very well explain how they know that there will be two Grails, not just one. There is also ‘another’ girl who will suffice as a vessel, according to Gilgamesh but who this other girl is or what she will be a vessel for is unclear for now, though apparently Shinji knows the answer to both those questions. The Lesser Grail’s incredibly short shelf-life ostensibly saves Shirou and Rin from following Ilya and Berserker into the grave, but that’s odd in itself. Killing Rin and Shirou wouldn’t have taken more than a moment for Gilgamesh, so surely he must have had other motives for keeping them around, despite direct instructions from his ‘Master’ to do otherwise. It bugs me when antagonists leave heroes alive despite having every reason and opportunity to kill them off – for example, Ilya leaving Rin and Shirou alive in the first season despite very clearly outclassing both of them in every way. Gilgamesh does seem more likely to spare someone on a whim than say, Caster, but at the same time, this makes it the second time in this season alone that Shirou and Rin have survived based solely on an enemy Servant’s mercy (the first time being Archer asking Caster to let Rin and Shirou leave alive). It isn’t quite a plot hole but it certainly isn’t the strongest piece of storytelling either.

It’s been a while since we’ve gotten inside Shirou’s head and unfortunately, it’s just as warped a place as it was before. We’ve talked about Shirou’s extreme survivor’s guilt before and in this episode, he pretty much states it outright. It seems that he tries his hardest to rescue everyone he can, regardless of the cost, not just because he wants them safe and out of danger, but also because he wants to feel like his own salvation was justified. The scene with him walking past other people crying for help was absolutely chilling and goes a long way in explaining why Shirou is the way he is – in the past, he has failed to save others, possibly people he knew and loved but instead of dying for this sin, he was saved and even now, his mind can’t reconcile this karmic mismatch. Of course, form the audience’s perspective but it’s absurd to expect a five year old child to rescue anyone in a situation like that but it isn’t really that much of a stretch to think that Shirou would feel remorse at not being able to do more. It feels like Shirou isn’t just trying to save everyone, he is subconsciously seeking some sort of martyrdom as well, as though his death in the process of saving someone would fix the mistake that fate made in letting him live. What makes Shirou’s case particularly unhealthy is the way he feels responsibility of others deaths even if he had nothing to do with it – in this particular case, he grieves for Ilya, despite knowing that he owed her nothing (the last time they met, she tried to kill him, after all) and despite knowing that he was not in any way responsible for her death. He grieves for despite not knowing that they were siblings of a sort and not knowing how fitting it was that he should bury her. It’s a little difficult to properly articulate what the crux of the disagreement between Shirou and Rin is but I do appreciate that the show doesn’t really make it seem like either is without its flaws – sure, Shirou’s dedication to sacrifice himself for the good of others isn’t ideal but neither is Rin’s view that people should always put themselves first. There’s some room for compromise on either side and we’ll see if either character is able to reach.

What Shirou’s actions do cement is that he is an inherently good kid, which is something the audience has known for a while now, but it’s something that Lancer takes note of as well. Lancer’s reintroduction into the show feels surprising, but it shouldn’t. With Gilgamesh not particularly interested in cooperating and Berserker dead and defeated, it means that Lancer is literally the last person that Shirou and Rin could turn to in order to defeat Team Caster. It’s still a big ask – the last time Lancer and Archer fought, they reached a stalemate though neither had brought out their respective Noble Phantasms. Archer has some Lancer-specific tricks up his sleeve but on the other hand, Lancer’s Noble Phantasm sounds extremely lethal though the only time we’ve seen it so far, it’s thankfully come up short in finishing Saber.  Even if Lancer is able to handle Archer, which is far from certain, Rin’s insistence that she can ‘blindside’ Caster sounds ridiculous. Caster’s knowledge of magic has been established as far out-striping any modern mage’s and while Rin did manage to get some hits in the last time they faced each other, it would mean that Rin and Shirou will have to face Kuzuki, Caster and possibly Saber. You’d have to be crazy to take those odds. Lancer’s return also brought with it a good bit of comic relief with Rin being comically reluctant to admit her feelings for Shirou, despite it being painfully obvious to everyone else. The change is tone is somewhat jarring but I also feel that it spoils some of the dramatic tension – the second Lancer starts acting goofy, you know that he’s not suddenly going to turn around butcher the two. It’s the same way that Shinji’s hammy speeches sort of ensure that nothing too serious is about to go down. The funny bits aren’t exactly unwelcome either though since the episodes can get rather heavy with them and even in this particular instance, there are some interesting bits of dialogue interspersed within. The first is Shirou’s condition for accepting Lancer’s help (which given how desperate their situation is, seems like an odd way of thinking of it) – at first it seems utterly bone-headed. However, given who Lancer is, it makes some degree of sense though I’m not certain that I’m not giving him too much credit. There is also the question just who Lancer’s Master is and why he is still hidden in the shadows. Him offering Lancer to Shirou and Rin makes me think that he is someone that they both know and someone who’s looking out for them though of course, that would clash with him killing Shirou twice in the first two episodes. In any case, given how badly off they would be without him, I think we can join our heroes in not looking a gift Lancer in the mouth.

The episode ends with yet another mention of our favourite piece of jewellery. The pendant that refuses to make sense is back and I feel as though the characters are hitting me on the head with it but I’m still not getting it. Clearly, there is only one pendant, which means either Shirou’s or Archer’s is fake. Neither makes sense – if Archer’s is real, where did Shirou’s come from? If Shirou’s is real, why would Archer leave behind a fake one? It seems very clear that both Shirou and Rin have a better idea of who Archer is what is going on than I do and that’s a little frustrating but it seems that we’re building up to him before figuratively unmasked and hopefully the show handles that better than it has the other reveals so far.

P.S. Apologies for the wait and the length. My computer blue screened and I ended up losing half the stuff I had written and then tried to make up for it. Also, shoutout to highfirex for his/her Crunchyroll guest pass! Thanks a lot!

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21 thoughts on “[Anime] Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works – Winter Days, The Form Wishes Take (S2E4)

  1. >It bugs me when antagonists leave heroes alive despite having every reason and opportunity to kill them off

    Hmmm, this is a tricky one since I thought the verbal clues were enough :/

    >Ilya leaving Rin and Shirou alive in the first season despite very clearly outclassing both of them in every way

    One reason she let them go is because of what Archer did, this crap hero broke a noble phantasm (BIG NO NO for servants) in order to kill her servant. That’s why she says she was impressed with Archer.

    Caster also isn’t really a bad person deep down, she acts that way because the world expected her to so she shows the world what they wanted to see. I think you mentioned this but yeah her myth isn’t the same as the real world ones.

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    • Could you explain the Archer bit again? You mean Archer used his Noble Phantasm at the time? Or that he was able to force Berserker to use his reincarnation?

      The vibe I got from Gilgamesh was that he pretty didn’t care about Rin and Shirou, like they were beneath his notice. Gotta say, taking out two kids has to feel like a downgrade after laying a beat down on Heracles

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      • Noble Phantasms are one time things.

        I’ll just copy the wiki since it explains it as well as I can:
        It is possible to sacrifice a Noble Phantasm for an attack that is one rank higher, which is called a Broken Phantasm: The Destroyed Illusion ( 壊れた幻想ブロークン・ファンタズム , Kowareta Gensō?). If a Noble Phantasm is packed with mana, it can be made to explode after striking its target. It is nearly impossible to repair a destroyed Noble Phantasm, and as they are the trump cards of Heroic Spirits, they are unlikely to take such measures.

        He had to get out of there because the heart will rot if he takes his time. Plus he doesn’t really give a crap about two kids, I don’t think he’s the type to kill for fun considering the look on his face when he had to do what he did and the fact that he was going to let the maids go.

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      • Oh yeah forgot to say, I believe in the production interview the author confirmed Berserker was killed in episode 3 by Archer. I’d have to find the interview to confirm it though.

        Rin in episode 3 said “He survived a Rank A Noble Phantasm”

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        • So, essentially Archer looked like ‘used up’ his Noble Phantasm that time? He clearly didn’t though – we see him use it again against Caster (the first time). In some ways, he reminds me a little of Gilgamesh, though maybe it’s just the shooting the swords thing.

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      • “So, essentially Archer looked like ‘used up’ his Noble Phantasm that time? He clearly didn’t though – we see him use it again against Caster (the first time). In some ways, he reminds me a little of Gilgamesh, though maybe it’s just the shooting the swords thing.”

        This seems to be a running theme with Archer. In episode 0 you might remember that Lancer broke his short swords several times but Archer just seemed to have an endless supply of them. And once again as you noted, he seemed to break his arrow in episode 3, only to use it again in episode 7. There’s a lot of unique things about Archer and his place in the story, and they’re all important hints for working out his identity. At the very least if you’re completely lost the story is starting to ramp up his pace so his identity could be revealed to you any episode now.

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  2. “It’s a little difficult to properly articulate what the crux of the disagreement between Shirou and Rin is but I do appreciate that the show doesn’t really make it seem like either is without its flaws”

    It is indeed, it really comes down to helping people because you want to do it or doing it because you are compelled to. Shirou justifies his point of view by saying that there’s no way it can be a wrong thing to do but that’s all it is, a justification, not his reason.

    His reason is what Rin takes issue with. Archer in episode 11 did talk about it as well, it seems Shirou doesn’t want to think too hard about his reasons for doing what he does, deep down he might know why but he hasn’t really confronted himself yet.

    “Rin’s insistence that she can ‘blindside’ Caster sounds ridiculous.”

    I think you’re gonna like her plan. It’s not super clever but it is a bit of thinking outside the box that I appreciated.

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    • Yup, that sounds about right.

      I’m looking forward to see what Rin has planned. I recall that had a few tricks up her sleeve against Caster the first time too.

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  3. -There is also ‘another’ girl who will suffice as a vessel, according to Gilgamesh but who this other girl is or what she will be a vessel for is unclear for now.

    If you notice that after gil said “that other girl would suffice as a vessel”, shinji turns to look at rin and then understands what he means. He then even asks rin if she would like to cooperate. This kinda indicates that gil was referring to rin as the other girl. I can’t really think of a reason as to why gil didn’t just grab rin and go then and there though, if he thought that she was important…

    -We have been told repeatedly that she (saber) is the ‘strongest’ class of Servant…

    I don’t want to delve too deep into any spoilers but the saber class is said to be the “best class” because in previous wars saber class servants have been known to consistently do well, thus giving the impression that saber class servants are strong in general.

    -…but clearly, that didn’t account for Gilgamesh.

    It’s like how asians (saber class servants) are said to be the best in table tennis because in previous tournaments (grail wars) they do particularly well, but that doesn’t mean that there will never be a time where other nations (classes) produce an exceptional prodigy (eg. gil) or hard worker that can surpass them.

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    • Haha I like your analogy! And it’s interesting that you mention Rin being the vessel, but now that you mention it, she is the obvious choice.

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      • I think the wording was funny in the an ime(the that other part). In the VN he outright states like: “No the situation has changed, Shinji. She will be perfect as the vessel.”

        I didn’t want to say it in my other post but it’s not a twist really and you are pretty much supposed to know it was her he was talking about, so that’s one reason he didn’t kill them right there.

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  4. I think I have some insight as to what was going on with Ilya that we can reveal now that it’s no longer related to spoilers. Basically as you saw Ilya was not an eager participant in the war, the oposite in fact her participation boiled down to the fact that if she refused eventually the Einzberns would just send another sacrifice to fight the next war and the next. Her fight was more to end the whole thing once and for all than to get a wish for herself.
    This being the case her strategy for the first month of the war which was going on before Rin and Shirou summoned Servants was simply thist- find the other participants, crush their moral and drive them into hiding and use the rest of the time “patroling” candy shops and toy stores. Enjoying her freedom from the Einzberns for the first time she was prolonging the war as long as possible as eliminating her oponants would have activated the grail.
    The grail inside her heart.
    An unpleasent experience.

    That aside she waited politely for Shirou to register himself as a participant in the war then politely introduced herself before killing him, From her bored expression she likely imagined said revenge plot to be more satisfying. When Archer launches an arrow that has the chance of messing things up dramatically (Berserker can protect her from his normal projectiles by basically teleporting in fornt of her having sharp enough senses to qualify as precognition, but can’t fully block a shot like *that*) she withdraws with a backhanded compliment and hopes that the next encounter will be more satisfying once her opponants have grown sufficiently prepared for their demise.
    In Fate route she comes across Shirou who is grocery shopping and invites him into the playground for some games, then uses hypnosis to kidnap him and drag him back to the castle where she turns him into a mindless puppet for her amusement (just because you feel sorry for them doesn’t make them nice people).

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  5. I love reading your discussion and speculation. Some of it is so on point and some of it makes me giddy inside.
    As for Gilgamesh’s introduction, yes in the Fate Route he’s given a more grand revealing of his true identity, though because of his arrogance he outright states his name. Probably the same reason why Gilgamesh wasn’t too bothered by Shinji just blathering his name. Really, Gilgamesh is sitting on a galaxy sized ego, so some of his actions can only be described as “You are mongrels, I do what I want.” In Fate, Gilgamesh shows up to annihilate the current enemy and establish himself as the endgame while also explaining why he’s around. Honestly, the route system of Fate/Stay Night is both its biggest strength and weakness.

    As for Saber being called the strongest, well that’s a leftover from the Fate Route, where they call the Saber class the strongest of all the classes. To put it in the least amount of spoilers possible, Shirou didn’t develop his magic at the rate he does in UBW, so he relies on Saber to do everything, even if his own inner turmoil makes him try to do all the fighting in her place. Saber defeats all their enemies with a little help from Shirou, even with Shirou’s status as a crap master holding her back all the time. It’s one of the greatest things about Saber’s character, she’s first established as the one character in the story for the reader to know that they can rely on and root for, like a constant friend.

    Lancer is a total bro in that scene, it’s why everyone likes Lancer.

    Also if this episode felt oddly paced at all, the developers did confirm on twitter that a whole 5 minutes had to be cut from this episode. My guess was that it was about the Archer and Kuzuki scene, probably explaining his backstory more.

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  6. Just want to throw in one more thing. About the fire scene, the anime really didn’t cover this but Shirou after the fire isn’t the same person as before. It’s basically two separate people, the old Shirou doesn’t exist to him anymore. He was pretty much reborn that day and lost his sense of self.

    Here is the ‘grave’ scene in the VN you might want to read this section to get a bit of a better understanding, I think they left a few important bits out. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20204/

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      • I have to say, I like this characterization of Shirou a lot better, it conveys his agony a lot better. I’m not sure if I caught the lying to himself bit though

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      • This part about the lies:
        Shirou. Your way of life is really distorted.”
        …She tries to open a lid that I’ve kept closed for so long.

        and then

        “‘Saved’…? So you were saved from the fire ten years ago? And that was by Emiya Kiritsugu?”

        “Yes. But that’s it. That isn’t the reason for anything.”
        My heart aches when I answer.
        My body is telling me that it’s a lie.

        The key here is he hides the true reason for wanting to be a hero. It’s not survivors guilt which the anime pretty much states (because they left out the lie bits). The reason is about something else. He can’t admit the real reason or he will break down. And like I said he literally lost his sense of self that day and was reborn, all of this is key to understanding the rest of the story.

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        • >He can’t admit the real reason or he will break down.

          Do we know enough to guess what the real reason is? I feel like we almost do, but it’ll be nice to have it explained

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  7. It’s unfortunate, but barring Caster, Archer and possibly Lancer, most of the servant identities that are revealed in UBW will be lacklustre, as you said. Gilgamesh, Berserker and Saber’s identities are revealed more dramatically in Fate, and over a slower period of time for the latter since she’s the focus there. In UBW it might still be a bit more surprising than Shinji or Rin having a throwaway line about Gilgamesh and Berserkers identities respectively, though. Assassin already gives away his identity on first appearance and Saber realizes Lancer’s after he uses his Noble Phantasm.

    As for the line about the gap between him and Berserker being not that big, it’d be because they are not including his Noble Phantasm in the comparison but his raw ability as a servant. Saber being the strongest class is a bit of a misnomer-it’s more that it’s the most balanced class which offers the best base “stats” as it were, without causing a servant to suffer too much in one area from being forced into the container. Saber is fairly sidelined in UBW too as a result of being the central focus of Fate.

    Oh, by the way, you might want to keep in mind what Gilgamesh said earlier in episode 10 or so, to Shinji, about people and the modern world. And what Rin said to Shinji about being a flunky in this episode, regarding Gilgamesh and Shinji. Actually she adds another line in the VN about him being the only one there who considers Matou Shinji a master or something along those lines.

    Nocorras already posted the VN version of the scene of “Distortion” and added more or less what I wanted to say there so I have nothing more to add about that bit.

    I thought it was clear enough which girl he meant, though I guess I won’t comment here since that could well be VN knowledge leaking in.
    I think next ep should show why both Lancer and Rin are confident in their plans, and maybe the pendant thing too.

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  8. I’m in a sort of love/hate relationship with some of the replies on here.

    On one hand, I love that people care enough to provide further insight into the inner workings of the visual novel. It’s great to see the fandom come together to support a reviewer and answer questions. We all want the reviewer to love this series as much as we the fans do. I think that’s fantastic!

    On the other hand, no one is willing to leave anything alone. It comes off as though no one really has any faith that anything is going to be explained. I can understand given that the source material spreads information across three branching storylines. Still though, I fear that by continually attempting to guide the reviewer in the right direction it will inadvertently spoil something somewhere eventually. Perhaps it already has to a certain extent.

    I enjoyed the visual novel a great deal, but a hefty chunk of it is overly verbose. (See what I did there?) If a certain scene was omitted, it’s usually because it’s somewhat redundant. I love hammering a point home as much as anyone else, but sometimes less is more simply because it’s more open to interpretation and can fuel better discussion.

    Too many cooks in the kitchen gonna ruin the stew.

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